We will cast this sexist, racist female in the "The World would be a better place if run by women" category and why not. What a dishonest, nasty piece of work this woman really is, but I suggest you make your own decision and then ask yourself the same question that feminists have been promoting for so long!
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One wonders if anything else dares to break through that heightened wall of victimhood. But alas, we have a slight clearance in the fog as a request is forwarded for some input into issues apart from their own mountain of doom..
One does have to be carful whenever asking this question as the response may not be what one expects. Once the floodgates are opened there will be no closing them again.
My response to this question would simply be to direct the request here (the online compendium of Men's Issues) . All or most of the issues are covered, it is still in the process of being updated as TDOM has stated. But it does give the gist of what is ailing society today and where the sexism, discrimination and bias really is..
So we have this request..
AW - Greetings and salutations, forum members!Maybe a few of the followers or readers may like to express their opinion and respond to the question and I will update as we go along. Meanwhile, here are a few responses on that forum where the question was originally posed..
A few disclaimers:1. I'm an American woman, but I'm not here to promote myself. I'm telling you to put my post in context.2. I don't want to pull focus from the issues. If you find my post disruptive, I'll take a hint from the silence and leave.3. This forum is primarily for men to exchange ideas, rant, and support one another. I've posted under "Opposing Views" out of respect for that mission, not to challenge it.4. These disclaimers aren't to paint myself as a good American woman; I just worry about not saying exactly what I mean. My apologies if it sounds tedious or self-promoting.
I'm not so much posting from an opposing view but a limited view. I appreciate men's plight, but I as a woman can never fully understand it. And since words don't do much, I want to actively address whatever sexism I see -- walk the walk, I suppose. Of course, there are probably thousands of little sexisms I don't pick up on. I can pay my half at meals, write letters advocating against false rape charges, etc -- but there's probably so many things I won't catch from my perspective.
So here's my question: aside from major issues like paternity fraud and women using sex as leverage, what small acts of misandry to you see regularly? And how can well-meaning women avoid them -- as girlfriends, sisters, coworkers, wives, etc? We can't make things equal, but we can still do our best to be fair.
You now have the floor. I greatly appreciate any and all contributions (and will understand if I receive none).
Opening Pandora's Box..
Man 1 - Seen any MacDonald's ads recently?
AW - I haven't seen any McDonald's ads recently. Is one you're referring to available online?
Man 2 -How about all the Progressive ads on TV with cute, lovable Flo and the men who come in her insurance store? They're always fat, balding, and wearing glasses except for one male character I saw. And they're always shown as either sexist, stupid, crazy or amazingly immature, while the female customers are always attractive and witty and mature. Think how feminists would react if it were the reverse.
Or how about the sit-coms on TV today which almost all follow the "Simpson's" formula, with the husband as totally incompetent and bumbling, cowardly, selfish and immature but their wives are intelligent and hard working, unselfish, etc.
Or the beer commercials, I forget the beer, where men go into a bar and are friendly with the pretty bar maid but she ridicules them mercilessly just because their pants aren't in style or they say the wrong thing. And they probably drink the wrong beer too.
And on and on. This is common is today's media. What effect does this have on young boys growing up today? How about news reports about a story where 20 male miners died in a tragic mine disaster? The reporters will never say it was 20 MEN who died. They'll say that 20 WORKERS died or that there were 20 VICTIMS of the disaster. But if there was one woman who got killed, all the reports would be "19 men and one woman killed". There's a great video about this on manwomanmyth.com, among many others that go into other topics, like how so many of the laws today are anti-male and pro-female, and how schools are biased against boys and toward girls.
Man 3 -This is a perfectly valid question, and I will answer it honestly and completely:
The most common ones I see on a regular basis:
1. The appropriation of men as "useful objects" to women who are either lazy or have no interest in performing certain duties if they can simply require men to do these things for them. The examples of this are countless, but are not limited to "borrowing" money from men (which, in my experience, is almost never paid back), commanding men to carry heavy shit, making jokes about responsbilities that they simply pass off to men (IE telling their girlfriends "that's what men are for"), asking men to fill their shifts at work for no intrinsic benefit/reward, and asking men to fix things that they broke instead of using google to figure it out themselves.
2. Creating false dichotomies involving polar opposites of men where neither extreme is viewed favorable - like the niceguy/badboy. Women tend to denigrate both of these parties even though they are loosely defined and highly pidgeonholed, despite the tendency for American women to be attracted toward the latter group. In other words, men are always viewed as guilty/flawed even when he fits the bill perfectly. This is some combination of paranoia/entitlement among women, but it is clearly evident because women try to take advantage of even those men who they perceive to be the most attractive.
3. Using legal/social leverage to manipulate men through false allegations (if you don't do XYZ for me then I'll report you for crime/offense ABC). While this is rarer than the above two embodiments of misandry, it is perhaps the most foul. Since men are presumed to be guilty when their accuser is a woman (who often employs other friends or fake witnesses to persecute the man) it can be extremely difficult for a man to beat. Your post implies that you are somewhat familiar with this already, so I'll leave it there.
4. Intentional emotional abuse of men for personal sense of power. Taunting, nagging, manipulation, teasing/controlling men with sex, suggesting competition from other men and implying superiority are all part of this. Most men in relationships can reiterate this better than I can.
I personally do not see an easy solution to these dynamics because many of them are enforced legally (IE promoting women to divorce a rich man because its a faster way to wealth than working through the corporate ladder) and can therefore profit from the objectification and disposal of men. If individual men and women decide to genuinely reject this sort of behavior, that is perhaps the best response without systemic changes. And it is precisely the focus of this particular forum.
I just fail to comprehend where some of this stuff comes from, are there thousands of people sitting in some room somewhere making this sh*t up or what. It really defies logic and common sense but one single issue it usually does push is the "women are victims" mentality, endlessly. It really borders on the pathetic, where are all these common sense females, do they still exist or are they still out to lunch or maybe on holidays permanently..
First, I think women generally care less about politics which is unfortunate. However I (a female) didn't care much about politics until I discovered Ron Paul. Once you get on the ron paul/liberty train it's hard to get off and I think that goes for both genders.These comments are from the Ron Paul site where there appears to be quite a few articles on or about women. Fascinating reading for anyone who is interested in the thinking of the opposite sex. It would appear that any comment about the opposite sex can be construed as being sexist as it is one word done to death whenever ignorance and gullibility rears it's head.
Overall I think the most prominent characteristic of Ron Paul supporters is that they are logical (liberty is the most logical answer) and from my exerience in life I think men generally think more logically.
Second, unfortunately our society is still highly sexist and women are subconsciously and flat out told that they are inferior and they cant think for themselves. They are perhaps more easily swayed by the media and more likely to go with their husband or boyfriends choice. Obviously this doesn't describe all women but I think many.
And last I would like to say that daily paulers could stand to be less sexist.
When watching the debates and on the daily Paul chat, multiple, probably every time Michelle Bachman spoke there would be a slew of comments about her hair or makeup or how she looked hot or ugly or about what she's wearing etc. among one lonely comment about what she was actually SAYING. I don't like michelle Bachmann in the slightest but as a woman I don't like seeing a woman in politics be objectified as opposed to criticized for what she's saying because lord knows there is much to criticize there.
Comments like this "unfortunately our society is still highly sexist", highly sexist about what ?
Where do these women get this stuff from ? They make these spurious claims without so much as backing it up with facts or figures or even a reasonable argument, it's just stated and left at that, no back up information whatsoever. It is fine making some claim but can we at least see some factual information instead of hysterics and nonsensical comment.
"women are subconsciously and flat out told that they are inferior and they cant think for themselves"What this complainer does not state is who actually does all that finger pointing and demeaning (apart from me ofcourse stating the bleeding obvious). If women are generally informed that, then who is doing it. As far as I can tell it's other women who are more than happy to cane the crap out of their own and whenever it is explained to being the case, the narrative always generalises that it is everyone who is doing it. This victimhood mentality just wallows about like delusional fog, it rears it's head continually but always fails to point the finger in the right direction.
Take the example of the one single Egyptian female who was shown the error of her ways for demonstrating and how many were besides themselves to witness that or was it just another example of the victimhood mentality rearing it's ugly head. Both I feel.. Here we had ONE SINGLE FEMALE paying the price for standing up for whatever it was they were standing up for and after hundreds if not thousands of men were beaten, jailed and maimed, we see one single female receiving the same treatment, we have an apoplectic rage and hysteria raised. Amazing, it either demonstrated that the feminist press has total control over the narrative, which I think is the case or are there are that many white knights out there (Riot control team excluded) that ramps up whenever anyone lays a finger or harms so much as a single hair on any female's head, the world almost comes to an end. This is apart from the fact that women are still cutting off men's dicks, murdering them, abusing them and having daytime fun time programs laughing it up over male mutilation, see what I mean. The hypocrisy and double standards are just beyond the pail..
every time Michelle Bachman spoke there would be a slew of comments about her hair or makeup or how she looked hot or ugly or about what she's wearing etc. among one lonely comment about what she was actually SAYING. I don't like michelle Bachmann in the slightest but as a woman I don't like seeing a woman in politics be objectified as opposed to criticized for what she's saying because lord knows there is much to criticize there.Here we go, now how and who would be commenting on Bachman's dress or hair or makeup, certainly not any male reporters or commentators that I can see, they usually don't give a damn about those trivialities. That would be the female's forte, but the comment does not even relate to that and they never do. All we ever get is the general "Women are such victims" but they fail to point out that they are actually doing it to themselves and then blaming all and sundry for it. It is truly sickening..
Over the past couple of days I had the displeasure of trying to knock some sense into another bunch of feminist females, most were victimhood specialists but not all so there is hope, this time on the Daily Mail site in England (the haven for radical feminist theory and male bashing). A site so over run with feminists and their hate messages that it really is beyond the pail. Their endless harping about those old and tired delusional claims about the vote in regards to women and also the issue of war and killing fields are their favourite areas of scorn. it's the "usual, well look at what men do", typical radical feminist put down mentality where anything remotely negative about men is over inflated as to try and dehumanise all men and thereby seeking to take the upper road to self-elevated god-like installation to the female psyche. Their endless hyperventilating regarding past battles and wars, regardless of the loss of lives, is set up to demonstrate anything except the reason for the action. It has been men, as witnessed in Egypt, who fight for democracy and human rights, we do it at the front line and in most cases the women stand back and claim to be part of it when they are not. That is clearly demonstrated all the time.and it is only on rare occasion that one fronts up to play the same game.
So I will leave you with these facts about the vote and the lives that were lost fighting for it. It appears that that great sacrifice that men made for it is apparently totally irrelevant to the victimhood princesses as they wallow in minutiae regarding some irrelevant past history that they continually dredge up regarding how "discriminated they were" with it's usual boring and brain numbing implications.
andrewnewbury wrote...
so let's look at some facts...
A census was conducted and it was determined that in 1832 with passing of the first reform act, roughly 2% of the whole of the UK population was eligible to vote.
There are many many accounts of mainly men being executed, or transported, or killed in riots but eventually after many hundreds of years struggle the 1832 Act was passed in Parliament.
1844-1866
In 1844 women and children under 18, working hours, were limited to 12 hours. No such restriction on men. So much for female oppression eh ?
1847 and yet another reduction in working hours for women and children, this time to 10 hours.
No such restriction on men.
So which groups of people rights were considered second, Men or women and children ?
So much for female oppression eh ?
1867-1914
The 1867 Reform Act gave the vote to about 1,500,000. Roughly 6%.
The 1884 Reform Act added about 6,000,000 voters. Roughly 24%.
I'm going to skip on now to 1914 and the Great War,,,,,When this war had finally ended there were some 10,000,000 men dead, 21,000,000 wounded and 7,000,000 prisoners or missing.As a reward for their sacrifices, had they lived to 1918 all men over the age of 21 were allowed to vote. women over 30 were given the vote.Women got the right to vote at 21 in 1928 some 10 years later at the cost of 10,000,000 men's lives.
And its worth bearing in mind that ten years after that, from 1939-1945 British men were conscripted to fight in the Second World War, and women - who had equal voting power - had no such obligation to be sent abroad to be possibly slaughtered for their country.
So much for women being the oppressed sex. I don't see how any patriarchy has stripped away female rights... what I do see is a lot of inaccurate feminist propaganda
I have always found it interesting that regardless of how long and hard one has tried to discourage the "feminist hate fest" message, on most occasions it appears to fall on deaf ears. One has to wonder why there is such a level of ignorance and resistance about the feminist movement or do we just attract the clones who promote that religion like an obedient follower akin to a follower of Jihad or it's equivalence..
Over the years, and it does not matter how many times one has to explain in infinitude; about the abuses and hate that feminism introduces, it is just either ignored or they just sidetrack the topic in the hope of not having to face reality or answer uncomfortable and inconvenient questions. To suggest, in this day and age, with an existing plethora of information demonstrating the exact opposite, we still have feminist enablers proudly claiming that feminism is about equality. That comment and it's conception is just too ludicrous to even bother with but here they are still clinging to it like it's some life-raft instead it being a convenient anchor..
It does explain the need for women to generally grow up and begin inhaling the obvious vitriol and misandry that their own sex has generated and promoted while not having to justify it's affect or argue it's inevitable negative outcomes. Someone has to pay, just as someone has to own up to the bias and misinformation that has been rampant for decades, justifying their vindictive actions against an entire sex whose only crime would be in ensuring and pursuing a better existence for all, a better lifestyle and an improved living standard. And for this we are pilloried and exposed for imaginary wrongs at the behest of an ignorant group of women, who do know better..
But very few have the ability or honesty or determination to start speaking out against it and by this lack of endorsement, it can be viewed as they not given a damn, their silence being a conformation, sharing an affinity as being in cahoots with a movement that is so evil in intent, one must ask whether any sanity actually exists in that sex at all..
Feminists: demented, stunned or cultists
Why Do MRAs Keep Attacking Feminism?
Feminism is a label used to identify two major sets of viewpoints and ideologies. Because they apparently oppose one another, I’ve argued in the past that re-branding would ameliorate much of the confusion of conflicting ideologies with the same name. Two different points of view, which, to outsiders appear to oppose one another, yet continue to both call themselves feminism, albeit with different prefixes. Liberal feminism and radical feminism, might seem like different ideologies to a feminist, but prog-rock and hard rock don’t appear much apart to a follower of baroque chamber music.
When I made the suggestion of re-branding, the small number of liberal feminists I was in routine contact with experienced a collective melt down, insisting that their own version was the “true feminism” and that all others were corruptions. I was roundly excoriated for my suggestion. However, since that minor controversy, my own viewpoint has changed based on an increased understanding of the ideology in it’s different versions, but still operating under that label.
For purpose of discussion, two main camps are identifiable, one which we can call liberal feminism, and the other, radical feminism. Liberal Feminism is the ideology most people are familiar with, and is, on it’s face, similar to a philosophy of humanism. This is the ideology’s great disguise. Superficial examination of liberal feminism reveals a drive toward equality of legal rights between men and women, a libertarian view of bodily autonomy, sexual self determination, and equal access to opportunity. These are all goals a humanist or a small-L libertarian would support, and which are represented in feminist literature written for a non-feminist general public. What differentiates liberal feminism from true humanism is that all these goals are taken in the context of patriarchy theory. That is the name of a specific dogma of the ideology of feminism.
According to wikipedia, Patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. In short, men rule society. The lack of veracity of this claim will be addressed shortly.
Patriarchy theory is not a theory in the scientific sense. It could be used to make testable predictions, such as a prediction that men receive favourable treatment by the criminal or the family courts, or that they die on the job at lower rates than women, or commit suicide a lower rates then women. However, if “patriarchy theory” were examined with any degree of intellectual rigour, it would be immediately discredited and forcibly discarded. The persistence of the idea as a foundation of feminism, and the aversion of feminist adherents to critical evaluation of this dogma suggests it is part of an ideology rather than a philosophy.
The difference between ideology and philosophy being a matter of rigidity and adaptability to conflicting data. In contrast with a philosophy, an Ideology starts from a fixed idea, deemed “the truth” and discards or suppresses nonconforming evidence. In spite of the untenability of the core doctrine of “patriarchy theory,” liberal feminism is the friendly face of the ideology, which when challenged uses the humanist goals of equal legal rights, bodily autonomy and other humanist ideas to diffuse suggestions that it is a supremacist hate movement.
By contrast, radical feminism is liberal feminism’s ugly, violent and politically potent big sister. The core views of this brand of feminist ideology are reflected in the writings of a number of feminist authors. Valerie Solanas’s SCUM Manifesto Susan Brownmiller’s Against Our Will being examples.
Radical feminism is unambiguously an ideology of violence, female supremacy and class hatred. Brownmiller wrote in 1971
Following the exposure of the contents of a clandestine radical feminist online message board, it has become evident that rather than marginal, politically impotent, low influence shut-ins, the individuals advocating sex-selective infanticide, mass murder and eugenics are published authors, advisors to government, and senior, tenured academicians. Indeed, the political and academic elite of western nations have been poisoned by an ideology of irrational, violent hatred toward half the population. While individual radical feminists refer derisively to moderate feminists as “fun feminists” – they absolutely depend on the humanist cover provided by these moderates who are in reality, a politically impotent minority.
This is the mask which must be stripped away if an agenda of apartheid and mass murder is to be avoided.
In Australia, a radical feminist conference named after Solanas’s manifesto for genocide was held between September 23-25th, 2011. Two members of the Radfem Hub and Radfem forum, Danielle Elina Pynnonen (Allecto) and her partner, Kat “Kitten Pinder (Amazon Mancrusher) organized and hosted the three day event in Perth, which they called the ‘SCUM Conference’. They billed it as:
Quoting her comments on the rad-fem-hub site:
However, although examination of these individuals reveals them as low integrity, personality damaged violent sociopaths, they align with ideological contemporaries who have conned their way into positions of public trust and authority all over the world.
This is reflected in a male-hostile environment in higher education[1], while female-favouring affirmative action admission policies and university-endorsed anti male hate-rallies combine to push male students out of school. To clarify, affirmative action is a pleasant-sounding name for a policy of discriminatory treatment of one demographic over another. It is a synonym for apartheid.
The success of the hate fuelled ideology of radical feminism is further evident in mainstream commentary excoriating and condemning masculinity as the source of all social pathology. This is so universally common the contained class hatred passes unnoticed without tedious and explicit explanation in each case. The UNICEF public literature on domestic violence identifies women and children as victims, and excludes men from any category besides perpetrators.
This reflects a picture in opposition to that provided by the majority of peer reviewed literature[3], which shows men and women coequally committing domestic abuse. For an institution as well funded and organized as UNICEF, this cannot be attributed to error or omission. Around North America, law enforcement policies and domestic policy are shaped by an ideologically driven, methodologically flawed “theory” of domestic violence which starts from the unexamined assumption that men are innately evil. This is called the duluth model[4], and despite it’s well known departure from credible research and statistical analysis of domestic violence, it’s application continues. The model focuses solely on the men’s use of violence in abusive relationships, rather than on the behavior of all parties concerned, as would be necessary for any model to be effective in violence reduction.
“Programs based on the Duluth Model may ignore research linking domestic violence to substance abuse and psychological problems, such as attachment disorders, traced to childhood abuse or neglect, or the absence of a history of adequate socialization and training.[5][6]
Donald Dutton is a psychology professor at the University of British Columbia who has studied abusive personalities. According to Dutton:
Radical or moderate adherents to this ideology are, it is increasingly obvious; followers of a religion. Here, of course, I am likely offending individuals who follow any of the primitive mythologies of the desert dwelling goat herders of the iron age mid-east. Taken as an example, Christianity is a death cult which worships the murdered human scapegoat of the rest of humanity’s transgressions. It’s mostly treated as normal by conformists in the continental United States. However, this relatively old cult is based on a scripture which makes as much objective sense as the Norse creation myth from the bones of the ice giant Ymir, the ancient greek, or the creation myths of native North American stone age humans.
The religion of feminism, whether radical or liberal, by adhering to “patriarchy theory” counter-indicated by male death rates on the job, suicide rates, lifespan, income disposal disposable etc; is similar to other fundamentalist cults by it’s persistence and the reality-denial of it’s adherents.
However, after recognition of what appears to be emotional attachment to dogma, another model besides religious conviction emerges. The established behavior in proponents of both the radical and liberal female-centrism of refuting male-rights argument with accusation, obfuscation, censure and goalpost mobility is explainable by emotional arrest.
An Insight to Motivation:
One of the ongoing campaigns of radical feminism, of reclassifying the physical expression of love and affection between adults as a violent crime has always been impenetrably confusing to this author. To exploit the human need for physical intimacy in men and women as a weapon for vilifying one half of the human race appears on surface examination; a deeply evil tactic. To re-label something beautiful as the ugliest of crimes seems a most depraved and vicious tool of political and legal leverage.
As an optimistic person, it was always difficult coming to terms with the idea that a large subset of the female population was possessed by such amoral malice and conscious will to do harm. The radical feminist view; that male sexual agency is inherently malicious, was very hard to explain without viewing it’s proponents as thoroughly vile. Alternative explanations such as prevalent dementia or intellectual failure, while more palatable than an explanation of evil, seemed far less probable.
However, in recent discussions posted at AVfM, I have on several occasions suggested the hypothesis that Western society provides scant, or no motivation for women to develop emotionally beyond a childish and selfish mode of pure self interest. Certainly, an emotionally immature mind is far easier to deceive and influence, which is why corporations like McDonalds, Coca-Cola, and RJ Reynolds Tobacco bend so much effort to market their products to children. Emotionally immature individuals are more malleable and easier to sell to.
This is why for at least several generations, a major fraction of adult females have operated with the singular self-interest and disregard for others of overgrown children. We provide no incentive, indeed substantial disincentive for women to grow up. Controlling a customer base through flattery, greed, envy and guilt is far easier than appealing to critical thinking or rational analysis. Similarly, love, affection and empathy take on substantially different characters in a mature adult’s mind than in an immature child.
An adult understanding of love and affection beyond the simple desire for self gratification means that expressed love through physical intimacy is perceived merely as satiation of appetite from an immature point of view. Seen through this lens, the feminist narrative that male/female sexual congress is oppressive and exploitive is suddenly comprehensible.
In addition, the radical feminist doctrine denying female adult agency and volition is also compatible with a model of emotionally arrested development.
This is not a new doctrine of radical feminism, but a persistent one. To an outsider to that ideology, it seems flatly absurd until and unless it is examined from the viewpoint that adult women may be emotionally infantile, and like children, controlled by a the parental influence of men. Men; who being responsible (for all evil) are mature and accountable adults. If this idea is tenable, then while men must shoulder all accountability for ill, they must also carry responsibility for good in the world. Indeed, in addition to human damage through history, almost all modern medicine, philosophy, science, art, literature, music, innovation, and the improvement over time of human living standards can be blamed squarely on men.
Taken to a logical conclusion, if radical feminists are correct, and females lack personal agency, then revocation of the rights of enfranchised adulthood must be immediately effected. Only a self determined and accountable adult can vote, own property, testify in a courtroom, hold public office, or be taken seriously in expression. Radical feminists must, if they are correct, immediately declare females the wholly owned chattels of the only responsible human beings, namely men.
As a humanist, a small L libertarian and a men’s rights advocate, I strongly disagree with this absence of individual agency in women. My relatively new understanding of culturally induced infantilism does provide a explanation of what previously appeared deeply malicious behavior. I also hope for and encourage women, self identifying feminists or not, to grow up.
Addendum: I will not be holding my breath in anticipation of this outcome.
[1] http://www.ccl-cca.ca/ccl/Reports/OtherReports/201104GenderReport.html
[2] http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm
[3] http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
[4] http://www.theduluthmodel.org/about/index.html
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model
[6] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-abusers-02-jan02,0,1147422.story?page=2
[7] http://www.themensproject.ca/files/uploads/stfnetw_tmp2-files/menandhealingfinal.pdf
Feminism is a label used to identify two major sets of viewpoints and ideologies. Because they apparently oppose one another, I’ve argued in the past that re-branding would ameliorate much of the confusion of conflicting ideologies with the same name. Two different points of view, which, to outsiders appear to oppose one another, yet continue to both call themselves feminism, albeit with different prefixes. Liberal feminism and radical feminism, might seem like different ideologies to a feminist, but prog-rock and hard rock don’t appear much apart to a follower of baroque chamber music.
When I made the suggestion of re-branding, the small number of liberal feminists I was in routine contact with experienced a collective melt down, insisting that their own version was the “true feminism” and that all others were corruptions. I was roundly excoriated for my suggestion. However, since that minor controversy, my own viewpoint has changed based on an increased understanding of the ideology in it’s different versions, but still operating under that label.
For purpose of discussion, two main camps are identifiable, one which we can call liberal feminism, and the other, radical feminism. Liberal Feminism is the ideology most people are familiar with, and is, on it’s face, similar to a philosophy of humanism. This is the ideology’s great disguise. Superficial examination of liberal feminism reveals a drive toward equality of legal rights between men and women, a libertarian view of bodily autonomy, sexual self determination, and equal access to opportunity. These are all goals a humanist or a small-L libertarian would support, and which are represented in feminist literature written for a non-feminist general public. What differentiates liberal feminism from true humanism is that all these goals are taken in the context of patriarchy theory. That is the name of a specific dogma of the ideology of feminism.
According to wikipedia, Patriarchy is a social system in which the role of the male as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. In short, men rule society. The lack of veracity of this claim will be addressed shortly.
Patriarchy theory is not a theory in the scientific sense. It could be used to make testable predictions, such as a prediction that men receive favourable treatment by the criminal or the family courts, or that they die on the job at lower rates than women, or commit suicide a lower rates then women. However, if “patriarchy theory” were examined with any degree of intellectual rigour, it would be immediately discredited and forcibly discarded. The persistence of the idea as a foundation of feminism, and the aversion of feminist adherents to critical evaluation of this dogma suggests it is part of an ideology rather than a philosophy.
The difference between ideology and philosophy being a matter of rigidity and adaptability to conflicting data. In contrast with a philosophy, an Ideology starts from a fixed idea, deemed “the truth” and discards or suppresses nonconforming evidence. In spite of the untenability of the core doctrine of “patriarchy theory,” liberal feminism is the friendly face of the ideology, which when challenged uses the humanist goals of equal legal rights, bodily autonomy and other humanist ideas to diffuse suggestions that it is a supremacist hate movement.
By contrast, radical feminism is liberal feminism’s ugly, violent and politically potent big sister. The core views of this brand of feminist ideology are reflected in the writings of a number of feminist authors. Valerie Solanas’s SCUM Manifesto Susan Brownmiller’s Against Our Will being examples.
Radical feminism is unambiguously an ideology of violence, female supremacy and class hatred. Brownmiller wrote in 1971
Man discovered that his genitalia could serve as a weapon to prehistoric times, along with the use of fire and the first crude stone axe. From prehistoric times to the present, I believe, rape has played a critical function. It is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear.In this execrable passage, Brownmiller indicts every man on Earth for participation in a conspiracy to consciously brutalize and terrorize every woman. The author, who regularly writes for sites such as Huffington Post, still touts her authorship of this hate literature, with no apparent remorse or contrition. In comparison, Valerie Solanas’ manifesto is characterized by the opening declaration:
The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.However, as obviously hateful and reality-challenged as such views are, the ideology embracing and developing these doctrines is not at the fringe of the feminist movement. This radical version of feminism has built steadily on its foundation of relatively simple-minded hate, into a murderous, antihuman ideology of hatred and genocidal ambition. It is radical feminists, the ideological inheritors of Solanas, Brownmiller and Dworkin who now occupy tenured positions in major universities, who write white papers for the United Nations and who rewrite law and craft domestic policy. Radical feminism is the politically potent, mainstream and established flavor of the ideology.
Following the exposure of the contents of a clandestine radical feminist online message board, it has become evident that rather than marginal, politically impotent, low influence shut-ins, the individuals advocating sex-selective infanticide, mass murder and eugenics are published authors, advisors to government, and senior, tenured academicians. Indeed, the political and academic elite of western nations have been poisoned by an ideology of irrational, violent hatred toward half the population. While individual radical feminists refer derisively to moderate feminists as “fun feminists” – they absolutely depend on the humanist cover provided by these moderates who are in reality, a politically impotent minority.
This is the mask which must be stripped away if an agenda of apartheid and mass murder is to be avoided.
In Australia, a radical feminist conference named after Solanas’s manifesto for genocide was held between September 23-25th, 2011. Two members of the Radfem Hub and Radfem forum, Danielle Elina Pynnonen (Allecto) and her partner, Kat “Kitten Pinder (Amazon Mancrusher) organized and hosted the three day event in Perth, which they called the ‘SCUM Conference’. They billed it as:
THRILL SEEKING FEMALES UNITE! Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore, this THREE DAY RADICAL FEMINIST CONFERENCE is for civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females who want to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.
For reference, Danielle Elina Pynnonen is the child-care worker who labeled a 9 year old boy in her care as “Mr Rape Threat,” and discussed the open desire to harm him and other male children in her care.Quoting her comments on the rad-fem-hub site:
I honestly have been reassessing the fact that I am giving care to these little future rapists, and what that says about me and my separatism. I know it is kinda going against my principles to support and care for these little fuckers.Kat Pinder is a former contestant on the TV show Big Brother, who was booted from the show for disruptive behavior and property damage. Evaluating the account provided by the online blog for the show, Pinder appears to be an individual afflicted by High Conflict Personality Disorder. Whether this is due to upbringing or malfunctioning brain chemistry is a matter of academic interest only. Surely a self entitled, personality disordered rich white girl is the one to tell the rest of the world how oppressed she is due to being daddy’s little princess.
However, although examination of these individuals reveals them as low integrity, personality damaged violent sociopaths, they align with ideological contemporaries who have conned their way into positions of public trust and authority all over the world.
This is reflected in a male-hostile environment in higher education[1], while female-favouring affirmative action admission policies and university-endorsed anti male hate-rallies combine to push male students out of school. To clarify, affirmative action is a pleasant-sounding name for a policy of discriminatory treatment of one demographic over another. It is a synonym for apartheid.
The success of the hate fuelled ideology of radical feminism is further evident in mainstream commentary excoriating and condemning masculinity as the source of all social pathology. This is so universally common the contained class hatred passes unnoticed without tedious and explicit explanation in each case. The UNICEF public literature on domestic violence identifies women and children as victims, and excludes men from any category besides perpetrators.
This reflects a picture in opposition to that provided by the majority of peer reviewed literature[3], which shows men and women coequally committing domestic abuse. For an institution as well funded and organized as UNICEF, this cannot be attributed to error or omission. Around North America, law enforcement policies and domestic policy are shaped by an ideologically driven, methodologically flawed “theory” of domestic violence which starts from the unexamined assumption that men are innately evil. This is called the duluth model[4], and despite it’s well known departure from credible research and statistical analysis of domestic violence, it’s application continues. The model focuses solely on the men’s use of violence in abusive relationships, rather than on the behavior of all parties concerned, as would be necessary for any model to be effective in violence reduction.
“Programs based on the Duluth Model may ignore research linking domestic violence to substance abuse and psychological problems, such as attachment disorders, traced to childhood abuse or neglect, or the absence of a history of adequate socialization and training.[5][6]
Donald Dutton is a psychology professor at the University of British Columbia who has studied abusive personalities. According to Dutton:
The Duluth Model was developed by people who didn’t understand anything about therapy.An exhaustive list of examples would change the focus of this discussion, however, what is obvious from even the few listed is that the ongoing narrative of men as villains and perpetrators and women as eternal, permanent victims is a doctrine immune to contrary evidence, peer reviewed study or even common experience of men and women living in the real world. Whether argued from the camp of radical, kill-all-men feminism, or it’s politically correct cover version posing as humanism, the doctrine endorsing patriarchy has all the tenacity, the immunity from reason, the immunity from data and logic that characterize religious cults.
Radical or moderate adherents to this ideology are, it is increasingly obvious; followers of a religion. Here, of course, I am likely offending individuals who follow any of the primitive mythologies of the desert dwelling goat herders of the iron age mid-east. Taken as an example, Christianity is a death cult which worships the murdered human scapegoat of the rest of humanity’s transgressions. It’s mostly treated as normal by conformists in the continental United States. However, this relatively old cult is based on a scripture which makes as much objective sense as the Norse creation myth from the bones of the ice giant Ymir, the ancient greek, or the creation myths of native North American stone age humans.
The religion of feminism, whether radical or liberal, by adhering to “patriarchy theory” counter-indicated by male death rates on the job, suicide rates, lifespan, income disposal disposable etc; is similar to other fundamentalist cults by it’s persistence and the reality-denial of it’s adherents.
However, after recognition of what appears to be emotional attachment to dogma, another model besides religious conviction emerges. The established behavior in proponents of both the radical and liberal female-centrism of refuting male-rights argument with accusation, obfuscation, censure and goalpost mobility is explainable by emotional arrest.
An Insight to Motivation:
One of the ongoing campaigns of radical feminism, of reclassifying the physical expression of love and affection between adults as a violent crime has always been impenetrably confusing to this author. To exploit the human need for physical intimacy in men and women as a weapon for vilifying one half of the human race appears on surface examination; a deeply evil tactic. To re-label something beautiful as the ugliest of crimes seems a most depraved and vicious tool of political and legal leverage.
As an optimistic person, it was always difficult coming to terms with the idea that a large subset of the female population was possessed by such amoral malice and conscious will to do harm. The radical feminist view; that male sexual agency is inherently malicious, was very hard to explain without viewing it’s proponents as thoroughly vile. Alternative explanations such as prevalent dementia or intellectual failure, while more palatable than an explanation of evil, seemed far less probable.
However, in recent discussions posted at AVfM, I have on several occasions suggested the hypothesis that Western society provides scant, or no motivation for women to develop emotionally beyond a childish and selfish mode of pure self interest. Certainly, an emotionally immature mind is far easier to deceive and influence, which is why corporations like McDonalds, Coca-Cola, and RJ Reynolds Tobacco bend so much effort to market their products to children. Emotionally immature individuals are more malleable and easier to sell to.
This is why for at least several generations, a major fraction of adult females have operated with the singular self-interest and disregard for others of overgrown children. We provide no incentive, indeed substantial disincentive for women to grow up. Controlling a customer base through flattery, greed, envy and guilt is far easier than appealing to critical thinking or rational analysis. Similarly, love, affection and empathy take on substantially different characters in a mature adult’s mind than in an immature child.
An adult understanding of love and affection beyond the simple desire for self gratification means that expressed love through physical intimacy is perceived merely as satiation of appetite from an immature point of view. Seen through this lens, the feminist narrative that male/female sexual congress is oppressive and exploitive is suddenly comprehensible.
In addition, the radical feminist doctrine denying female adult agency and volition is also compatible with a model of emotionally arrested development.
A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, even if she does not feel forced. – Judith LevineBy the tenant of radical feminist doctrine, female agency and volition does not exist, and the illusion of the ability of a woman to make a self determined choice is an illusion used by “the patriarchy” to further oppress each woman.
In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent. Catharine MacKinnon
When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression. Sheila Jeffrys
This is not a new doctrine of radical feminism, but a persistent one. To an outsider to that ideology, it seems flatly absurd until and unless it is examined from the viewpoint that adult women may be emotionally infantile, and like children, controlled by a the parental influence of men. Men; who being responsible (for all evil) are mature and accountable adults. If this idea is tenable, then while men must shoulder all accountability for ill, they must also carry responsibility for good in the world. Indeed, in addition to human damage through history, almost all modern medicine, philosophy, science, art, literature, music, innovation, and the improvement over time of human living standards can be blamed squarely on men.
Taken to a logical conclusion, if radical feminists are correct, and females lack personal agency, then revocation of the rights of enfranchised adulthood must be immediately effected. Only a self determined and accountable adult can vote, own property, testify in a courtroom, hold public office, or be taken seriously in expression. Radical feminists must, if they are correct, immediately declare females the wholly owned chattels of the only responsible human beings, namely men.
As a humanist, a small L libertarian and a men’s rights advocate, I strongly disagree with this absence of individual agency in women. My relatively new understanding of culturally induced infantilism does provide a explanation of what previously appeared deeply malicious behavior. I also hope for and encourage women, self identifying feminists or not, to grow up.
Addendum: I will not be holding my breath in anticipation of this outcome.
[1] http://www.ccl-cca.ca/ccl/Reports/OtherReports/201104GenderReport.html
[2] http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm
[3] http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
[4] http://www.theduluthmodel.org/about/index.html
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model
[6] http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-abusers-02-jan02,0,1147422.story?page=2
[7] http://www.themensproject.ca/files/uploads/stfnetw_tmp2-files/menandhealingfinal.pdf
Written by John the Other
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That task is ofcourse impossible, the best example is the sex issue. To the opposite sex, sex is an emotive and all encompassing act that reconfirms her need for love and attention. Sex is a conformation of that requirement, as women generally find it difficult to just have a shag just for the sake of it. Not all, but the majority. They have been using sexual intimacy to shore up their emotional attachment to an individual. Sex was the response to love, whatever the female determined it to be..
In looking into the phenomenon of culture shock, I recently came across a 2004 study that examines the problems Eastern European women have while adjusting to life in American society. The study is valuable in that it gives us a perspective rarely found in the English language, and suggests that American women themselves may be damaged (possibly more than men) through an enforced sexless environment.
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And it gets better..
It opens with a provocative question:
How do immigrant women from patriarchal cultures adjust to life in the Great Plains, where gender equality and feminism prevail? Do they feel that they have freedom from sexism and more social opportunities, or do they long for the female role that they left behind in their home culture? There are few places in the world where the women’s movement has been as vocal and active as in American culture. Gender equality is highly valued, and Americans believe that they have made more advances in this area than most cultures around the world (E. Kim 2001). As a result, many Americans assume that immigrant women will embrace gender equality and prefer to be women “in the American way.” Because American feminists perceive traditional women as oppressed, they seek to educate them about feminism and try to help them shed the traditional female role they were socialized to fulfill. How do immigrant women respond to American attitudes toward gender? How do they change as a result of living in a gender-neutral envi- ronment? Do encounters with American feminists help or hinder their cultural adaptation?
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Apparently, despite the patriarchal nature of Eastern European society, women are treated with a great deal of respect, and deferred to in many situations. Men may be overrepresented in the public world, and women not taken as seriously there, but in private women are given a great deal of consideration and treated like ladies:
Writings on Eastern Europe stress the patriarchal nature of society, in which gender roles are distinct but complementary, with apparent respect for the role of women (Richmond 1995). Gender relations in Eastern Europe exist on two very different levels. On the one hand, the world of public institutions is patriarchal and male dominated. Even though men and women participate in the workforce in equal numbers, men receive higher salaries and hold most positions of power. On the other hand, interpersonal relations between men and women are either egalitarian or women receive preferen- tial treatment in them. Politeness toward women is highly valued. Men are attentive to the needs of women and seek to protect them from harm. Men are attentive to the needs of women and seek to protect them from harm. Gestures of respect such as opening the door for a woman or giving up one’s seat on the bus for a woman reflect a positive attitude toward women’s feminine qualities within the interpersonal realm. “Eastern Europe is still very much a man’s world. Women are flattered to excess, have their hands kissed, are presented with flowers, and are given other deferential treatment, but traditional attitudes toward the female sex still prevail. Women attempting to work professionally must prove themselves before they are accepted as equals”
I find it amusing that the need to “prove themselves” in the professional world is seen as a burden; the same is expected of Western men. However, the attention, affection and deference must be a source of comfort to many Eastern European women in their home countries.
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In addition to the different attitudes concerning equality, the concept of feminism is not the same in Eastern Europe as it is in the West:
Most East Europeans associate feminism with gender equality in the legal sense. They feel that feminism cannot have much impact on their lives because during the past 50 years socialist ideology already promoted gender equality, women worked alongside with men, and equal opportunity clauses guaranteed their rights, in some countries earlier than in the West (Rohrlich 1979), yet discrimination in the workplace still prevailed.[...]Most feminist research in the United States is based on the assumption that treating men and women differently has a detrimental effect on both individuals and on society (Wood 2002). Efforts are being made to decrease the presence of gender in professional interactions and to avoid sexism, the discriminatory treatment of women. As a result of feminism, changes took place in notions about what is considered feminine and masculine, and in what is appropriate work for men and for women. Women strive to become more assertive and to enter formally male-dominated areas of life (Hofstede 1998). Gender-neutral use of language is expected in public and professional interaction (Lakoff 1975; Murphy and Zorn 1996)…
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Women love compliments and just thrive when that is given without qualification, as the compliments come easily and are greatly appreciated..
I can remember talking to a female who was besides herself because she was whistled at and took great comfort from the fact that she had enough sex appeal for it to be noticed. That was never an issue before feminists decided it was. In most cases in the past, you whistled at a female and you received a smile, a smile that said either "I am sexy aren't I" or "thank goodness someone appreciates the way I look, do know what it takes", it made the effort all more worth the while. Well maybe not that overboard but it was appreciated for the reason it was given.
Now they arc up at any gesture that may be interpreted as being even remotely complementary. The poor buggers go through work the whole day, after spending copious hours trying to look good and never been told they do, must be disheartening to any woman. Unless ofcourse your a screaming harpy just graduating from one of those "Women's/Gender Studies" indoctrination centres where you learn to hate anything male, period. No compliment would ever be tolerated or missed to ensure some reporting to the HR department was warranted, even false accusations can be justified. See the problem..
The irony here is that American women actually expect chivalry, politeness and the rest (as thousands of wistful articles, comments and blog posts attest), but they do not invite it, and in public they excoriate men for acting in this manner. Nor are they capable of behaving in a feminine manner; even if they were naturally inclined to do so, the tendency was eradicated when they were young.
Further along in the study, Eastern European women report being demoralized by the “sterilized” relationship between men and women, particularly in the workplace, where they lose interest in interacting with American men. One reason for this is that when they behave according to their cultural norms, America men tend to avoid them, probably fearing job loss through a sexual harassment claim. One woman, originally from Belarus, said that at work men “are afraid to look at a person who is female.” The EE women also report that although it appears that equalizing gender roles has worked surprisingly well in the US, they do not like it in their own lives.
They see American men as henpecked, inattentive to women (in terms of traditional manners), and less traditionally masculine, and American women as mannish, bossy and dominant. Some of their negative associations are left over from Communist times, when women in positions of authority were brutal and expected to behave like men. Over time, a negative stereotype about these kinds of women led EE women to prefer a more feminine role.
So it is for good reason that one of the posts on this blog titled "Top Ten reasons why American women suck" has had the most hits as well as commentary..
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Does this surprise me, not at all as the reputation of the American female has deteriorated over the last 40 years to being the person to avoid. Apart from being rude and obnoxious, they appear to be incapable of being female. Not all, but way too many to be able to generalise quite comfortably without any fear of contradiction..
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Obama and the group of feminist female assassins he placed in the White House will no doubt ensure his re-election is definitely not guaranteed. One is supposed to show some level of respect for leaders especially one in charge of a superpower nation. But one just cannot find the appropriate reasons or examples or character or dignity or honour that would normally demand respect. In this example, it appears to be totally and completely absent..
When Obama's hench-women introduced the new rules applicable to bonking into Colleges and Universities, where the onus of proof was placed on the accused and not the opposite way around, as has always been the case (innocent until proven guilty, you know, that one), they knew precisely what the consequences would be but all it did was demonstrate that ALL radical feminists want is to jail, kill or remove as many men from the planet as possible. If in doubt refer to Radfem Hub posts on this site)
Rape/sexual assault on Campus stats, someone had a look and guess what ?
Not 1 in 4 but..
One-in-One-Thousand-Eight-Hundred-Seventy-Seven
This way, they can stand back, for the cowards they are and claim innocence as well as achieving an outcome to a drama they have introduced themselves (the delusional claim that "women are being raped at a rate of 1-3,1-4,1-6", take a pick) and it's in plague proportions, but only in the minds of those feminists ofcourse. The one single factor that feminists failed to grasp is that they need to tell women they were raped, even though the so-called victims deny it themselves. The 1 in 4 proportions would actually mean that over 30 Million women would be raped, I mean really, .. Really. How can those delusional, blatant liars ever make that type of claim and then be rewarded by being placed in the White House ?
See what I mean about those re-election chances..
..And another issue that the politically correct universities have installed is starting to back them right where it hurts the most..
Marquette University Threatens Academic Freedom
Liberty Alerts, TheFIRE.orgOver at the blog Marquette Warrior, John McAdams provides a good example of how unwarranted investigations of campus speech can cause a deeply problematic “chilling effect” at a university. Universities must not pursue investigations of protected expression just because someone submits a complaint; as soon as it is clear that the expression in question is protected speech, the inquiry must end, even if there are other factual disputes. Prolonging the investigation tells everyone on campus that the university will pursue charges against you no matter how frivolous or malicious the complaint. The likely result is that people self-censor and keep their mouths shut rather than risk such investigation and a possible punishment.
It seems that Marquette University, where McAdams is a professor, made just such a mistake this month. According to McAdams, his introductory course in American politicsdiscusses alleged media bias and takes an anti-feminist perspective:
Ambiguous sexual encounters, often fueled by alcohol, are defined as “rape” by feminist researchers, but not defined that way by purported victims.We point out that feminists insist that if a women consents to sex under the influence of alcohol, she has been raped. [...] Often, some guy who hasn’t yet learned that, in academia, he’s not supposed to question any feminist claim, will raise his hand in our class and ask “suppose the guy has been drinking too? Why didn’t she rape him?”We always respond, sarcastically “you’ve got to look at this from the feminist point of view. Males are the oppressor class, and women the victim class. So of course the guy is responsible.”We typically add “if you wake up in the morning and ask ‘what in the world did I do?’ you haven’t been raped. If you’ve been raped you feel violated. If it requires a feminist political activist to explain to you how what happened was rape, you weren’t raped.”
In response, someone complained using the “Ethics Point” hot line Marquette had set up for people to privately report illegal financial activity (which this classroom discussion certainly was not). The complaint (as reported by McAdams) was that the material in class was “demeaning to rape victims” and that “rape is a serious problem on campus, and thus we [in the course] were engaging in ‘harassment based on gender.’”
Marquette has no basis, consistent with free speech and academic freedom, to punish anyone for making a vigorous argument in class, even if some perceived that argument as “demeaning to rape victims.” Nevertheless, Provost John Pauly directed McAdams’ department chair to pursue the investigation. McAdams writes:
Faculty have a right to disagree with any political movement – including feminists. And social science faculty have a right to debunk bogus social science statistics. … [T]he complaint should have been dismissed immediately. Taking the complaint absolutely at face value, we did nothing but disagree with feminist claims about date rape, something clearly protected by the canons of academic freedom.
That’s quite right. Marquette, like most private universities, promises students and faculty members that it is the kind of university that supports free speech and academic freedom. Marquette’s Student Handbook, for instance, notes:
It is clearly inevitable, and indeed essential, that the spirit of inquiry and challenge that the university seeks to encourage will produce many conflicts of ideas, opinions and proposals for action.
Yet by pursuing this investigation, Marquette is letting a single student entangle a professor in disciplinary proceedings simply due to protected classroom expression. How many professors at Marquette are now going to steer clear of sensitive topics just to avoid an Ethics Point investigation?
Marquette has had free speech failings in the past, too, such as when it required a graduate student to remove no less than a humorous Dave Barry quote from his office door: “As Americans we must always remember that we all have a common enemy, an enemy that is dangerous, powerful, and relentless. I refer, of course, to the federal government.” At Marquette, this language was deemed so “patently offensive” that it could not be posted on the door. (Here’s Dave Barry himself speaking about it in a FIRE video.)
Once again, it seems that Marquette draws the line at offensiveness in a way completely at odds with what academic freedom and free speech should and do permit.











